Curse

Kook~NBK~ · Jun 01, 2006, 01:24 AM // 01:24

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Originally Posted by Huntmaster

I once saw a "r3+ Tombs B/P group" that was taking r3 people only because tombs was too hard with unranked.

I joined them, got on their TS server, and laughed at them.

I'm banned from that server now.

That is FUNNY! It takes a grand total of ONE successful trip through Tombs for any member of a B/P group to learn the best way of doing it! (How much fame does one get for that? hehe!)

Ate of DK · Jun 01, 2006, 01:31 AM // 01:31

1. This post is not about bragging (altho I like it sometimes)
2. I read a bit what the thread is about and like to know what the "professionals" think of it

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The case:
I'm rank 9+ and completed everything in Factions with 7 henchies (myself being r/mo) in 5 days including 92,6% of worldmap and 175 elite skills... (cause 5 weren't available)

So... I'm a pvp player but a noob in pve?
Or was it pve player and noob in pvp?

My point:
kind of a useless discussion going on here, don't you think. If you meet noobs on your path.. well that happens, you were one too. If you are a "pro PvE player"you don't need other people. If you prefer to play with people... then you never know what is in the group and it's your own choice

* If you wonder why I use Henchmen in PvE... It works faster cause I don't need a party for running quests. And missions are far to easy

Jestah · Jun 01, 2006, 01:45 AM // 01:45

The fact that PvE and PvP require entirely different approaches doesn't change the fact that they're both 90% the same ball game. There's so many people out there (in PvE) that can't even master the basic mechanics and prinicapals of the game.

The thing is, it takes more than a new player to mess a party up - it takes someone with sub average intelligence. Say you were doing thunderhead keep mission, even a new player with common sense would have enough experience up to that point to atleast give it a reasonable shot. The thing with PvE, is that there are kids that aren't even old enough to observe and learn basic ideas. To them it's just blasting bad guys with cool bows and arrows. Now find me a 10 year old that has bow and arrowed his way to rank 3 and I'll stop talking.

All rank does is cast out almost for certain, the chance of you being a complete inbecile. If you can do missions with henches then almost anyone can do it with a little co-operation.

domonx · Jun 01, 2006, 01:47 AM // 01:47

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Originally Posted by Ate of DK

1. This post is not about bragging (altho I like it sometimes)
2. I read a bit what the thread is about and like to know what the "professionals" think of it

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The case:
I'm rank 9+ and completed everything in Factions with 7 henchies (myself being r/mo) in 5 days including 92,6% of worldmap and 175 elite skills... (cause 5 weren't available)

So... I'm a pvp player but a noob in pve?
Or was it pve player and noob in pvp?

My point:
kind of a useless discussion going on here, don't you think. If you meet noobs on your path.. well that happens, you were one too.

* If you wonder why I use Henchmen in PvE... It works faster cause I don't need a party for running quests. And missions are far to easy

um...not to be rude...but yead...iam pretty sure thats a bunch of BS. there are atleast 1-2 mission in faction impossible with henchies. gyala and raisu are the ones that comes to mind. and i could type out the math behind why getting 175 elite, 92.6% maped and "everything" in faction is impossible, but common sense will prove it for me.

being a ranger your clestrial skills+henchies<shiro and his shirokens.

Jestah · Jun 01, 2006, 02:02 AM // 02:02

Whether he's telling the thruth or not, it illustrates the same point. All PvPers played PvE at some point and there's nothing to stop them still doing so. Like I said in my post above (even though no one reads anything besides the last posts here and picks an argument with the poster) having a rank just suggests you have basic common sense which to be quite frank is all these laughably easy missions require.

Avarre · Jun 01, 2006, 02:06 AM // 02:06

Haha!

Hahaha!

Raisu is easy with hechies, and gyala isn't that bad either

Shiro is simple with a ranger... hell with good timing you can interrupt his Impossible Odds! And a properly timed celestial stance > him.

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Originally Posted by Jestah

Now find me a 10 year old that has bow and arrowed his way to rank 3 and I'll stop talking.

While I can't find you an exact example... I've seen mesmers in r3+ groups that attempt to run cookiecutter surge... and do no more than follow 1 target around, casting energyburn skills whenever they are charged, no thought to whats going on etc (like focus swapping, monk having 0 energy, controlling corpses like they advertise..) If that's not almost the same thing I don't know what is... a case of 'hey when I press this, enemy loses energy!' *presspresspress*

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having a rank just suggests you have basic common sense which to be quite frank is all these laughably easy missions require

Hopefully, having a PvE title like Skillhunter, GMC etc also shows common sense... I've got my rank 3 and my skillhunter 3 (thank god, I like displaying skill hunter and getting thrown out of r3 groups with skillhunter 2 for being 'rank 2' is annoying xD), and I learned a huge amount more from skill hunter... rank title was just playing with the things I learned until I amassed enough points.

Jestah · Jun 01, 2006, 02:13 AM // 02:13

Yeah no doubt that's not a player you want to be grouped with for HA but even a dumbass like that could probably walk the PvE missions. When I referred to 10 year olds I mean ones that have no intention of actually achieving anything, they just want to party up and beat the evil bad monsters.

I used to use henches in Tyria just to save the whole hasstle of partying jerks. When I got factions, for once I decided to see if the quality of the average PuG had improved and to my amazment I got to all the way to HzH without a single leeroy.

All it takes is that you ask the party a few things before you set out and kick anyone that spams "go!" or something like "yeah let's go kick some turtle f***ing luxon ass".

Ate of DK · Jun 01, 2006, 02:19 AM // 02:19

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Originally Posted by domonx

um...not to be rude...but yead...iam pretty sure thats a bunch of BS. there are atleast 1-2 mission in faction impossible with henchies. gyala and raisu are the ones that comes to mind. and i could type out the math behind why getting 175 elite, 92.6% maped and "everything" in faction is impossible, but common sense will prove it for me.

being a ranger your clestrial skills+henchies<shiro and his shirokens.

*Knowing its not the place for this but when I'm not believed I want to reply*

1. I DID all missions with henchies.
Add. Vizunah Square, wasnt even aware that there was another team tbh. Heard it afterwards. Raisu palace, just be careful with agro. Unwalking waters, I had 15 henchies, there was no-one there. Gayla, use the smoke things BUT clear the whole area before walking towards the turles is an option too. Eternal Grove, I had one singer left standing.

2. I HAD 92,6% cause a Tyrian char could get up to 94%!

3. I HAD all elite skills capped that where available.
I played every map for uncovering and wrote down where the bosses are. Having 1000K and 4.000.000xp I could affort some capture signets and I re-entered every area until I had all elites and moved onwards.

*everything is all quests/missions. Yes also mapping Arborstone, you could finish it when entering from the north, die and get ressed at the shrine on the lower part of the map ^^
Common sense was wrong, sorry to dissapoint.

Jestah · Jun 01, 2006, 02:27 AM // 02:27

Yeah this a thread about ranked groups in PvE not who has the biggest e-peen.

domonx · Jun 01, 2006, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Originally Posted by Ate of DK

1. I DID all missions with henchies.
Add. Vizunah Square, wasnt even aware that there was another team tbh. Heard it afterwards. Raisu palace, just be careful with agro. Unwalking waters, I had 15 henchies, there was no-one there. Gayla, use the smoke things BUT clear the whole area before walking towards the turles is an option too. Eternal Grove, I had one singer left standing.

2. I HAD 92,6% cause a Tyrian char could get up to 94%!

3. I HAD all elite skills capped that where available.
I played every map for uncovering and wrote down where the bosses are. Having 1000K and 4.000.000xp I could affort some capture signets and I re-entered every area until I had all elites and moved onwards.

Common sense is wrong, sorry to dissapoint.

wow...all that in just 5 days. iam not even gonna bother with this anymore, theres just so many problems with what you said. But yeah not bore enough to deal with it. ppl are smart enough to believe what they want or say what they want. but...wow...

"having a rank just suggests you have basic common sense which to be quite frank is all these laughably easy missions require."
lol...no...having a rank just means that you either
1. have good friends
2. grind hoh maps
3. ebay
i don't know why ppl think rank and common sense go together.

and yes i agree that ppl can be good at both pve and pvp...but "I'm rank 9+ and completed everything in Factions with 7 henchies (myself being r/mo) in 5 days including 92,6% of worldmap and 175 elite skills... (cause 5 weren't available)". seriously? you find nothing wrong with that?

"Shiro is simple with a ranger... hell with good timing you can interrupt his Impossible Odds! And a properly timed celestial stance > him."
LMAO...um...a r/mo disrupting impossible odds? wow must be psychic.

wow...now i remember why i rarely bothers to agrue with ppl.

Avarre · Jun 01, 2006, 03:25 AM // 03:25

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Originally Posted by domonx

LMAO...um...a r/mo disrupting impossible odds? wow must be psychic

Now I realize why you don't argue. Because you have no clue.

R/mo ranger interrupts. Where is the problem? Nothing to do with being psychic, you can tell around when he will begin odds and fire off some shots.

If you miss, fire up celestial stance and the entire IO becomes nearly useless.

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lol...no...having a rank just means that you either
1. have good friends
2. grind hoh maps
3. ebay
i don't know why ppl think rank and common sense go together.

Because to win, you have to know a few things. And from that you derive some basic sense. If you don't understand that, then you don't have that sense.

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wow...all that in just 5 days. iam not even gonna bother with this anymore, theres just so many problems with what you said. But yeah not bore enough to deal with it. ppl are smart enough to believe what they want or say what they want. but...wow...

Not that hard to get all that in 5 days. In that time I had finished factions with about 175 (got the rest shortly after) caps, I don't explore as much but once I did, I went from 59% (finishing game) to 90% in a day.

Raisu : watch aggro well, interrupt starbursts
Eternal : had 6 singers left, didn't break a sweat
Gyala : like was said, use smoke or clear before
Unwaking : pull away from the dragon and kill afflicted first

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"I'm rank 9+ and completed everything in Factions with 7 henchies (myself being r/mo) in 5 days including 92,6% of worldmap and 175 elite skills... (cause 5 weren't available)". seriously? you find nothing wrong with that?

Nope. Just means they've played alot (a hint that maybe they have a few skills!).

Domonx, just because you are, in essence, incapable of achieving what could be considered the 'basic' level of PvE, does not mean others cannot.

My story is much the same as the one above, except for the rank part (I am r3 with emote, what more do I need! xD)

Personally I don't think a ranked group would succeed or fail based on rank, there are plenty of r3+ (plenty = legions) that are skilled PvE players. Advertising by rank, however, is idiotic. You get stupid people with rank or as pve'ers, the only difference is the stupid ranked people generally went through pve first so even the most moronic one is at a higher standard than that mending wammo in Thk.

I'd build my group depending on what I require, and if I can see a bad attitude, whether a ranked player or pve'er, byebye them.

Ate of DK · Jun 01, 2006, 03:28 AM // 03:28

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Originally Posted by domonx

wow...all that in just 5 days. iam not even gonna bother with this anymore, theres just so many problems with what you said. But yeah not bore enough to deal with it. ppl are smart enough to believe what they want or say what they want. but...wow...

wow...now i remember why i rarely bothers to agrue with ppl.

Yes in 5 days. I had some time off and played a lot, let people believe what they want. I don't see the problem with what I said cause I know its true. I'm bored enough to answer ^^.

And about PvE and easy, special for you

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Here are two screenshot from what I did just a minute ago...
http://i72.imagethrust.com/images/eM...e/raisu-1.html
http://i72.imagethrust.com/images/eM...e/raisu-2.html
OMG ist that a ranger/necromancer with barrage that cleares Raisu Palace with 7 henchmen? Didn't get a nice screen after I killed the bosses but the fact that I had Items I still could take after the mission should prove I made it ^^. Oh yes, Danika died so I had to take the long way. Not hard at all. (Did I mention I had 10% morale boost?)

domonx · Jun 01, 2006, 03:52 AM // 03:52

lol...this is getting interesting...

"R/mo ranger interrupts. Where is the problem? Nothing to do with being psychic, you can tell AROUND when he will begin odds and fire off some shots."

i can tell around when ppl use alot of skills..but that doesn't mean i can interupt it everytime. but the reason why rangers can't beat shiro is cuz of the dmg factor.

"Because to win, you have to know a few things. And from that you derive some basic sense. If you don't understand that, then you don't have that sense."

no...to win in an hoh team, all you need a really good team, and then just T+space. GW is a team base game....if you have enough friends that are good...you can win in hoh maps easily with just t+space. has nothing to do with common sense. heck...ppl win 1-2 map with a team full of henchies. theres alot more factor to win then just basic sense.

"Not that hard to get all that in 5 days. In that time I had finished factions with about 175 (got the rest shortly after) caps, I don't explore as much but once I did, I went from 59% (finishing game) to 90% in a day.

Raisu : watch aggro well, interrupt starbursts
Eternal : had 6 singers left, didn't break a sweat
Gyala : like was said, use smoke or clear before
Unwaking : pull away from the dragon and kill afflicted first"

raisu: 3-5 guy casting starbursts...1you...gl. someone probaly did it before.
eternal: don't now why you put that on...no one said it was hard
gyala: 1you, 3 canister, mobs comming all over the place...gl with that. you can't clear before cuz about 90% of them spawn when turtle gets there. thats what those tele are for....
unwaking: never said it was hard...don't know why you put that there.

"Nope. Just means they've played alot (a hint that maybe they have a few skills!)."
not a reason...theres a limit on how much you can complete in 5 days. thats like saying i got my phd in a month...i just study alot.

"Domonx, just because you are, in essence, incapable of achieving what could be considered the 'basic' level of PvE, does not mean others cannot."
thanks for the insult...apreciate it. can i have more pls?

"Yes, let people believe what they want. I don't see the problem with what I said cause I know its true."
wow..you got raisu with henchies. and you kill all those before the timers out?. with a ranger celestrial skill...it takes longer to kill those then normal. and the item after mission screen can be taken after you kick party and invite henchies. but i'll take your word for it...good job

and it doesn't prove the most important point...you did all that in 5 days.

Ate of DK · Jun 01, 2006, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by domonx

lol...this is getting interesting...
raisu: 3-5 guy casting starbursts...1you...gl. someone probaly did it before.

Well, I refer to my last post and plz check the screens again.
http://i72.imagethrust.com/images/eM...e/raisu-1.html
http://i72.imagethrust.com/images/eM...e/raisu-2.html

IMHO, you don't know about much I refer to. You simply dont know they were/are possible and ignore it cause you think you know better.
1. (Like there are 7ppl for a team ready at 4:00AM in English district1, dream on)
2. Well, reason to look at the screens again. Can you point me someone that has items he can still take + ON SCREEN that he just entered the next area! Which is there for 5sec. And then kicks all his fellowplayers and invites henchies IN these 5 seconds. (and also the same order as before).. AND then erase all players from sight?! xD Note: when you walk out and enter again... the items won't be available anymore. GG

Avarre · Jun 01, 2006, 04:11 AM // 04:11

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i can tell around when ppl use alot of skills..but that doesn't mean i can interupt it everytime. but the reason why rangers can't beat shiro is cuz of the dmg factor.

Then why, as mesmer, can I master it with hench, when ranger is an attack class? All you've said is you're incompetent.

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no...to win in an hoh team, all you need a really good team, and then just T+space. GW is a team base game....if you have enough friends that are good...

You lose. You need a good team... of ranked players... which are good... so you're basically saying that no ranked player is good because they all piggybacked off other ranked players which are good but cant be good because they piggybacked? Your circular logic only shows your stubbornness to a point and the obvious fact you don't pvp. You develop skills while playing, even targetfollowing you learn about enemies etc. That is if you aren't an idiot and pay attention, which by r9 you generally do

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raisu: 3-5 guy casting starbursts...1you...gl. someone probaly did it before.
eternal: don't now why you put that on...no one said it was hard
gyala: 1you, 3 canister, mobs comming all over the place...gl with that. you can't clear before cuz about 90% of them spawn when turtle gets there. thats what those tele are for....
unwaking: never said it was hard...don't know why you put that there.

Those are the endgame missions. They are all completable. You now have 3 people telling you raisu isn't hard to hench. Gyala isn't that hard either, if you go slowly and protect 1 turtle (set multiple canisters yourself around youngs to keep them clear).
[quote]not a reason...theres a limit on how much you can complete in 5 days. thats like saying i got my phd in a month...i just study alot.
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There is a limit... and this is pretty much it. But not beyond. Considering you don't seem to have done any of those things (because you believe them impossible), you should listen to people who have.

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thanks for the insult...apreciate it. can i have more pls?

Ok. You fail at Internet.

Stockholm · Jun 01, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14

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Originally Posted by domonx

but the reason why rangers can't beat shiro is cuz of the dmg factor.

Slow down a bit. Don't jump to conclusions before you try it.

R/N + 7 henchis beat Shiro in 1 min 56 sec and got masters. It can be done
LOL

domonx · Jun 01, 2006, 04:18 AM // 04:18

um...once again...all the screen proves is that
1. you got to the end.
2. you beat it and gets the item screen up(with henchies or not, i don't know) like i said above...you can easily grab the henchies afterward and leave the item screen there.

but yes. someone somewhere probaly did it with henchies so its possible. i never said it was impossible....exact quote "there are atleast 1-2 mission in faction impossible with henchies. gyala and raisu are the ones that comes to mind" those missions comes to mind when i think of missions that were impossible with hench. well...now it won't to mind anymore.

"Then why, as mesmer, can I master it with hench, when ranger is an attack class? All you've said is you're incompetent."
thanks for another one..can i have some more? so what your saying is that your mesmer can do it so your ranger should too? good logic

"...so you're basically saying that no ranked player is good because they all piggybacked off other ranked players which are good but cant be good because they piggybacked?..."
um...no...thats not what iam saying...but thanks again for the insult. all iam saying is that to win. you don't need skill or commonsense. thats all.

"There is a limit... and this is pretty much it. But not beyond. Considering you don't seem to have done any of those things (because you believe them impossible), you should listen to people who have."
um...obviously you missed alot...cuz the point of this is to say that you HAVE NOT did all that in 5 days.

"Ok. You fail at Internet."
thank you....i don't pride myself as being good at the internet...lol

"R/N + 7 henchis beat Shiro in 1 min 56 sec and got masters. It can be done
LOL"
we were talking about r/mo....but yead...r/n does alot of BS things since factions...lol

Stockholm · Jun 01, 2006, 04:27 AM // 04:27

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Originally Posted by domonx

someone somewhere probaly did it with henchies so its possible. i never said it was impossible....exact quote "there are atleast 1-2 mission in faction impossible with henchies. gyala and raisu are the ones that comes to mind" those missions comes to mind when i think of missions that were impossible with hench. well...now it won't to mind anymore.

The first ones through the game had to henchit since there was not enough ppl to make a group. And Gayla was easy if you just stay with the little ones and keep dropping the smoke right in the middle of them.
Raisu is not hard if you pick the right NPC's(won't tell you witch ones) and go slow and pull.

I think it was 23 hours after preorder start that someone was selling end game weapons (shiros blades) so you can do alot in 5 day's.

domonx · Jun 01, 2006, 04:36 AM // 04:36

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

The first ones through the game had to henchit since there was not enough ppl to make a group. And Gayla was easy if you just stay with the little ones and keep dropping the smoke right in the middle of them.
Raisu is not hard if you pick the right NPC's(won't tell you witch ones) and go slow and pull.

I think it was 23 hours after preorder start that someone was selling end game weapons (shiros blades) so you can do alot in 5 day's.

oh..i agree..beating the game in a day is possible...theres not that much mission..but capping all the new skills, and explore the map 93some percent?

Jestah · Jun 01, 2006, 04:39 AM // 04:39

Hate to sound like a broken record but when did this become a thread about henches? Having a 10 post personal argument to prove an off topic point doesn't belong here. I can see the irony of making an off-topic post pointing out other peoples off-topic posts but seriously, you can't seem to post anything around here without having it polluted by ego driven off topic rubbish.